minggu haluan siswa 2009

we are having lunch in the prime minister at KLCC.. but then act it's not include in our program as the 1st...
and act that lunch is just travel a long journey go KLCC and eat.. that's all..
and it act is a program najib be the prime minister for 100 days..
that day u want also can come to eat, coz it's open to public..
beside still have another dinner for us...
and act this just a small rewards for us, the faci team..
but do u think it can pay back our time, our effort during the faci camp??
we are going back 2 weeks earlier..
if u work part time during that.. RM30 x 5 days per week x 2 = RM300..
RM 300 just eat for 2 meal?? is theat worth??
and it's act is the minimum income that working during that period will earn..

and being faci really a great chance to noe many freshie..
to build up our network..
and this also one of my purpose on joining this...
and be honest.. ther is some ppl join faci purposely knowing some new chicks..
but it just a small group of ppl act like this...
coz some of the guy faci even not go to know any new freshie in the orientation..

and about the games..
no doubt if u not enjoying..
u will feel that it's childish.. stupid or foolish..
but the games is for us to understand the meaning inside..
like team building.. ice breaking... or others...
other can enjoy it and having fun on it..
why it's not u?
coz ppl getting older and start to become 自满..
then will start to look down on these basic things..

thanks 4 ur comments...
and hope that as a adult.. u can think from other point of view...
not just from just a side of the fact..
and not everyone is perfect..
sometime faci also not the best..
but we are trying to do the best for u all...

if really not satisfy.. i suggest u join next year faci camp..
to experience wat are we thinking and talking here...

thanks a lot..

*my english not really good.. pls forgive for any grammar mistake...


Fasi....u seems so great. U lik god bt can i pray at u? Dun dream of dis la.....U tell me y u 1 2 be fasi? More friendship network? Bang, kau ada kwn melayu yg kenal sms minggu haluan? Dun tell me in ur house de onli o....Being a Fasi, ppl nt forced u...Uni nt forced u....u can work ok? What u ppl do when c new students kena punish by "fasi TOKONG(hokkien)"? D food ppl complain 2 spicy la....wat u ppl do?U ppl bo pien la...Fasi mah....if shXt oso shw thumb say sedapnya!!!...

betahouse 写道:we are having lunch in the prime minister at KLCC.. but then act it's not include in our program as the 1st...
and act that lunch is just travel a long journey go KLCC and eat.. that's all..
and it act is a program najib be the prime minister for 100 days..
that day u want also can come to eat, coz it's open to public..
beside still have another dinner for us...
and act this just a small rewards for us, the faci team..
but do u think it can pay back our time, our effort during the faci camp??
we are going back 2 weeks earlier..
if u work part time during that.. RM30 x 5 days per week x 2 = RM300..
RM 300 just eat for 2 meal?? is theat worth??
and it's act is the minimum income that working during that period will earn..

and being faci really a great chance to noe many freshie..
to build up our network..
and this also one of my purpose on joining this...
and be honest.. ther is some ppl join faci purposely knowing some new chicks..
but it just a small group of ppl act like this...
coz some of the guy faci even not go to know any new freshie in the orientation..

and about the games..
no doubt if u not enjoying..
u will feel that it's childish.. stupid or foolish..
but the games is for us to understand the meaning inside..
like team building.. ice breaking... or others...
other can enjoy it and having fun on it..
why it's not u?
coz ppl getting older and start to become 自满..
then will start to look down on these basic things..

thanks 4 ur comments...
and hope that as a adult.. u can think from other point of view...
not just from just a side of the fact..
and not everyone is perfect..
sometime faci also not the best..
but we are trying to do the best for u all...

if really not satisfy.. i suggest u join next year faci camp..
to experience wat are we thinking and talking here...

thanks a lot..

*my english not really good.. pls forgive for any grammar mistake...


Fasi....u seems so great. U lik god bt can i pray at u? Dun dream of dis la.....U tell me y u 1 2 be fasi? More friendship network? Bang, kau ada kwn melayu yg kenal sms minggu haluan? Dun tell me in ur house de onli o....Being a Fasi, ppl nt forced u...Uni nt forced u....u can work ok? What u ppl do when c new students kena punish by "fasi TOKONG(hokkien)"? D food ppl complain 2 spicy la....wat u ppl do?U ppl bo pien la...Fasi mah....if shXt oso shw thumb say sedapnya!!!...

1stly.. i just explain wat faci are doing for u all.. and we are nt god and also nt perfect.. so u all no need to pray us..

and really got more frenship... honestly.. i noe lot of chinese.. less malay...
but still got quite lot of malay that i noe.. included the faci and new student..
how many malay u noe during orientation??
i confirm i noe more malay than u during orientation..
even i got help out some indian during orientation..
but i will more concentrate noe more chinese.. since i here to help chinese that which all my best...\

and about the time being punish.. all also kena.. if no punishment.. wher got diciplin?

about the food.. have u come to eat this year?? i can confirm it better than last year.. and less spicy than last year..
but then we chinese really just a minority.. we cannot expect the whole event only consider of chinese..

then u imagine ther is no chinese faci in the orientation.. ther u wil noe wat happen ther..
u may compare to last year.. about the every thing..

and .. faci not perfect...
we are here to help u to do the best..

and as a university student.. are u expect all the life run smoothly??
u as a university student should take this as challenge, obstacle...
u are not baby somemore...

thanks 4 any sharing or wat..

thanks everyone for dare to voice up on wat that u not satisfied...

and we will not block or delete any message unless ther is some sensitive issue or it will cause inconvenience to other..

and thanks 4 not using rude word during this topic...

and hope that everyone understand the situation before post any topic and reply..

微风徐徐 写道:
我们有昆虫，水。。肮脏的东西。。（鬼？？？？）
四天里。。在床上的时间不到十二小时。。
半夜的训练又多辛苦。。
***

faci camp 真的那么辛苦，吓人？ 有做过faci的快快来分享你们愉快的体验，不然下一届没人敢做faci了啦。。。。哈哈

那昆虫，水。。肮脏的东西。。是指在grenede的时候。。
哈哈。。。

其实。。faci camp辛苦。。
但我们却乐在其中。。因为我们大家都不孤独啊。。
一班人一起。。互相分享。。扶持。。

而之中呢？？
有兴趣就参加吧。。

我想也有一班人还想继续再参吧。。
明年见。。

Zeon 写道:

你所谓的“勇敢”。。
是否要在1600左右的学生面前跟ketua fasi吵架。。
然后学生们就看着我们吵。。
之后再搞对抗。。召集一班人去推翻ketua fasi。。。
这就是你要我们的勇敢了吗？？

还是你的勇敢是要我们在orientation做个反对党。
搞游行？？举布条？？

（你不是说他很听意见的吗？为何不在事情发生前，提出你们不愿的意见？）

因为事情还没发生。。你就能预计会发生这样的东西了吗？？
而且由于华人的新生是minority。
华人的确不能拿到最大的权力。。

betahouse 写道:

Fasi....u seems so great. U lik god bt can i pray at u? Dun dream of dis la.....U tell me y u 1 2 be fasi? More friendship network? Bang, kau ada kwn melayu yg kenal sms minggu haluan? Dun tell me in ur house de onli o....Being a Fasi, ppl nt forced u...Uni nt forced u....u can work ok? What u ppl do when c new students kena punish by "fasi TOKONG(hokkien)"? D food ppl complain 2 spicy la....wat u ppl do?U ppl bo pien la...Fasi mah....if shXt oso shw thumb say sedapnya!!!...

after we(fasi) stay together for so long just to accomplish the task,personally i do know some friends from different faculty(it is impossible to know 130+ fasi).not only we do know new chinese friend,but also know other friends from different races as well.it is impossible to remember all their names due to my poor memory but at least we know who they are. so,i think the fasi do build up their friendship with other fasi which comes from different background with different personality even though we might not incontact often(different faculty attend their classes at different places).AND, of course we do know the junior as well.......they know us is not because we are trying to be famous.it is because what had we contributes to them without expecting their return.i do met with a malay junior who personally say thank you to me.you can think i am trying to bull***ing and think that fasi is great,BUT it's the FACT.
complain about the food?there are 1600+ students out there didnt complaning about their food....only some students voice out their concern.the food supply is arranged by the university,not us..so we cant just order some unspicy food just to cater the student needs...somemore if we did,the students might feel unfair because the foods are totally different from the others(except for religious issue).......compare with last year orientation,the meals are SUCKS.......yes, i really mean that(sesiapa pernah makan sure tau pasal ini).so i think the food for this orientation week is not an issue at all...........(the fasi also eat your so called "Spicy"food.....however,we dont think it is spicy at all and it still reasonable accepted)

betahouse 写道:Fasi....u seems so great. U lik god bt can i pray at u? Dun dream of dis la.....U tell me y u 1 2 be fasi? More friendship network? Bang, kau ada kwn melayu yg kenal sms minggu haluan? Dun tell me in ur house de onli o....Being a Fasi, ppl nt forced u...Uni nt forced u....u can work ok? What u ppl do when c new students kena punish by "fasi TOKONG(hokkien)"? D food ppl complain 2 spicy la....wat u ppl do?U ppl bo pien la...Fasi mah....if shXt oso shw thumb say sedapnya!!!...

tatistat, stupidbo... u all really cool.... u understand what he write... i really cant understand... since i cant understand, i jz ignore it la...betahouse paiseh ya....

got alfahouse? gammahouse? maybe i should set up a 微风徐徐府。。。哈哈

recently so many word being type... pecah rekod la.... my typing speed become faster ald...

微风徐徐 写道:

betahouse 写道:Fasi....u seems so great. U lik god bt can i pray at u? Dun dream of dis la.....U tell me y u 1 2 be fasi? More friendship network? Bang, kau ada kwn melayu yg kenal sms minggu haluan? Dun tell me in ur house de onli o....Being a Fasi, ppl nt forced u...Uni nt forced u....u can work ok? What u ppl do when c new students kena punish by "fasi TOKONG(hokkien)"? D food ppl complain 2 spicy la....wat u ppl do?U ppl bo pien la...Fasi mah....if shXt oso shw thumb say sedapnya!!!...

tatistat, stupidbo... u all really cool.... u understand what he write... i really cant understand... since i cant understand, i jz ignore it la...betahouse paiseh ya....

got alfahouse? gammahouse? maybe i should set up a 微风徐徐府。。。哈哈

recently so many word being type... pecah rekod la.... my typing speed become faster ald...

hahah.. i think this post will be the record of this forum from now...
act not understand at all.. but luckily penang kia in my house...
so i can guess wat he is talking...

mayb this is a good sign...
coz 不打不相识。。mayb we can be good frens later la.. ahaha...

and now this topic starting to become a little bit sensitive...
keep on boom on ppl...
hope that it will not have any inconvenience happen to u all la...

thanks again..

老微风徐徐有话说：

论坛，本来就是让用户提出问题，提出疑问，提出论点，提出想法，提出建议。。。。

但这个“提”，也要有技巧。。。

有的人提的让人赏心悦目，恰到好处，提在问题的中心。。。
有的人却提的不知所云，烦。。。

不要死缠烂打，要有能接受的心。。。接受新的知识，新的看法，新的论点，那样思想思维才会有进步

没什么，就是老不死的老微风徐徐，气长了一点点，婆婆妈妈，公公爸爸，不用管他。。。哈哈

微风徐徐 写道:老微风徐徐有话说：

论坛，本来就是让用户提出问题，提出疑问，提出论点，提出想法，提出建议。。。。

但这个“提”，也要有技巧。。。

有的人提的让人赏心悦目，恰到好处，提在问题的中心。。。
有的人却提的不知所云，烦。。。

不要死缠烂打，要有能接受的心。。。接受新的知识，新的看法，新的论点，那样思想思维才会有进步

没什么，就是老不死的老微风徐徐，气长了一点点，婆婆妈妈，公公爸爸，不用管他。。。哈哈

lol......u korek ......cakap manyak korek~~~haha

haha, dah tua tu korek sedikit ada la... tapi semua itu ada ilmu yg tersilat... hehe

tatistat, stupidbo... u all really cool.... u understand what he write... i really cant understand... since i cant understand, i jz ignore it la...betahouse paiseh ya....

got alfahouse? gammahouse? maybe i should set up a 微风徐徐府。。。哈哈

recently so many word being type... pecah rekod la.... my typing speed become faster ald.



Amoi, no nid all nid follow d sequence bah....gt beta nt supposely wan alpha or gamma ok? u wan 2 change ur name? Dun try 2 be copycat,copydog o until copypig ok? Later b pembawa H1N1 o...u cant understand coz u ppl onli live in ur world....Onli knw cantonese...u knw hokkien, hakka, foochow? Learn la..nt understand dis nt my fault wah...u ppl knw wat is "pandi" (Tamil)? Better ask n understand b4 reply ok?

betahouse 写道:Amoi, no nid all nid follow d sequence bah....gt beta nt supposely wan alpha or gamma ok? u wan 2 change ur name? Dun try 2 be copycat,copydog o until copypig ok? Later b pembawa H1N1 o...u cant understand coz u ppl onli live in ur world....Onli knw cantonese...u knw hokkien, hakka, foochow? Learn la..nt understand dis nt my fault wah...u ppl knw wat is "pandi" (Tamil)? Better ask n understand b4 reply ok?

my language level is definitely better... hehe

微风徐徐逍遥论之哇跨波：

好看的，让我舒服的，我看到，我明白
不好看的，让我不舒服的，看到当看不到，明白当不明白

不懂你讲什么。。。不过这句我懂。。。
Dun try 2 be copycat,copydog o until copypig ok。。。。i know where u copy d....

哈哈，建议大家去看这部戏，超好笑！

好朋友，手牵手，大便没洗手

betahouse 写道:
Amoi, no nid all nid follow d sequence bah....gt beta nt supposely wan alpha or gamma ok? u wan 2 change ur name? Dun try 2 be copycat,copydog o until copypig ok? Later b pembawa H1N1 o...u cant understand coz u ppl onli live in ur world....Onli knw cantonese...u knw hokkien, hakka, foochow? Learn la..nt understand dis nt my fault wah...u ppl knw wat is "pandi" (Tamil)? Better ask n understand b4 reply ok?

about this.. i'm not really agree with betahouse.. it's good for us to learn other language.. for me.. i also learn a little bit of other language..

but here is the forum for us to share the information.. voice up wat we are thinking.. so hope that all of us using language that are common use like.. bahasa cina, malaysia and english. or else sms language or short form that we can understand easily.
the reason is for us to easy read it and won't have many misunderstanding on it.. coz some word pronunciation in different language have the different meaning..

thanks a lot..

exp: sui.. for cantonese is 衰。。then for hokkien or teocher.. is cantik...

To the guys who always complain about this MHS...go to face the wall and think triple times

have u all ever heard before the older graduate student ?? IN universiti malaya, before year 1980, the MHS is even worse than now

they can put ur head in toilet, flush the water, force u hang at the fan, put u sit at the needle chair !!!!

so grenade wat 's the problem ?? u can say it is military things, but compare to those years before 1980 of student, grenade is just small matter, what the hell u guys yell at here ??
( ya, u guys can say it is human's right, but if just think grenade is *** u shame, no face, then i think u all cannot work at the future, some of the boss can speak some *** word make u feel 100times of embarrassing in front of peoples, wat's else, sue him, charge his company?? !! , idiot thinking)


for those student's parent might be high class people ( ***!!, this word i heard from senior faci before, dun know who spread it ??)

sure lah, the student nowaday all dimanja- manjakan, sikit-sikit denda , nak report polis lah, report kementerian lah...banyaklah kao, kurang ajar. macam sial... just grenade oso yell at here loudly, ridiculous !!!

the student before 1980 is really have a heart to study,they have clear aim. not like now, many of students just randomly pick courses , then after enter U , just realize wrong choosing, such a big noob!!!

as i can say, the years MHS grenade time is much more lesser than previous yrs.... i really dun know why this years people are such manja like kanak-kanak, the future of UTeM sure gone if getting more manja student come in!!!

最后用华语来说，连这点风浪也经不起，要吐糟fasi团队，要告这个，告那个，我想这些人就算是人才都有限

mountainmoo，你在写广告吗？又红又紫的，哈哈

你说的都有道理，今天，我就不跟你辩论了，我将带领大家，从另外一个角度来看世界。。。

mountainmoo,我很惊讶，你知道1980年前的事，很好。。。

对，moo所说的是真的！1980前所有的大学新生都被严重的欺负！senior真的把junior的头沉去马桶里（小case)，风扇也是热门刑具，我所听过最变态的是senior把junior的鸟鸟用绳子绑住，然后把绳子的另一端绑在吊风扇，开电，junior被迫跟着风扇在那边转，senior们围在周围大笑。。。

1980前，这些事外人都不知道，（为什么？），1980年左右，有个印度种族高官才公开指责这些丑事，全国人民都感到惊讶，很多人，组织，都提出了抗议，过后，这些“风俗习惯”才被禁止。。。

虽说被禁止，这种情况还是有发生，但越来越不严重，二十多年后的今天，在utem,欺负成分已很低很低，grenede罢了。。。虽然很低很低，我的疑问是，为什么一定要欺负人？

欺负的定义是，强者，应用其强势，威胁，逼，要求，弱者，去做弱者不愿意做的事。。。。

你以为faci喊grenede每个人都听他的，是因为faci厉害？不！是因为新生怕不能进大学！试下叫faci去对2nd,3rd year的喊grenede...看有人理他没有？

马来西亚以前非常落后，到处森林，到处猴子，过后慢慢发展进步，但人民的思想还是很落后，很不文明，所以会发生senior以不文明，变态手法欺负junior这种事，不能怪他们，从落后到文明，是需要时间的。。。

以前，老师打学生，是天经地义的事，一点小事，打到伤痕满身。。。
现在，学生被打一鞭，父母告上教育局，告上法庭。。。
这是一种社会进步，证明了社会越来越文明

以后，我也绝对禁止老师打我孩子。。。
我送孩子去学校，是为了让他们受教育，不是被打。。。
不要告诉我什么不打不成才，这是人云亦云，没根据的。。。

我小时家教管的很严。。。但父母都很少用藤条，很少用暴力。。
我有个和我年龄差不多的亲戚，父母每天用藤条打他，饭没吃完打，迟冲凉打，头发没梳打，每天打打打。。。

二十年后的今天，我进大学，他未进过大学，已去修汽车。。。

父母对我们有恩，我就不提父母了。。。
成功的老师，是不需要用藤条的！用藤条的老师，都是失败的!小明不爱读书，不爱就不爱，你打他咯，打到他乖乖坐在桌前看书，你以为你成功了？屁！他心不在那里，读什么都不会进！

对付学生，是应该用“爱的教育”。（不要乱用爱的教育，很多人乱乱用，结果害了学生），真真的爱的教育，的另外个名称是，心理学。运用心理学，以文明的手法，带动，影响学生，让学生心甘情愿的读书

建议所有的老师，都必须上心理学课，老师对付的，是人，不是机器，因此上心理学课是绝对必要的！真奇怪五十年来教育局都不明白这道理

这世界越来越文明！为什么以前人被玩鸟鸟都不敢出声？因为他们落后，他们怕事，他们不懂如何保护自己。。。

zeon并没错，他是文明社会的产物，他懂得争取他的权利，保护自己。。。

错就错在他一开始，就攻击人，得罪到人了，因此每个人都针对他。。。
这是因为他社会经验不够，他还在学习，我从他“谢谢”二字上看到了他学到了，也看到了他的诚意，大家就不要再跟他计较了，希望moo是最后一个。。。

我特别欣赏zeon的原因，就是他因为代表着文明社会的里程碑。。。上千个人参加MHS，个个乖乖接受，就好像以前那些鸟鸟被玩的人一样，不懂保护自己，难道二十年来人类没进步过？不，zeon让我看到了希望。。。

人从来就没有完美的，要慢慢从错误中学习，zeon我支持你，要坚强，要加油！

微风徐徐 写道:mountainmoo，你在写广告吗？又红又紫的，哈哈

从另外一个角度来看世界。。。

成功的老师，是不需要用藤条的！用藤条的老师，都是失败的!小明不爱读书，不爱就不爱，你打他咯，打到他乖乖坐在桌前看书，你以为你成功了？屁！他心不在那里，读什么都不会进！

对付学生，是应该用“爱的教育”。（不要乱用爱的教育，很多人乱乱用，结果害了学生），真真的爱的教育，的另外个名称是，心理学。运用心理学，以文明的手法，带动，影响学生，让学生心甘情愿的读书

zeon并没错，他是文明社会的产物，他懂得争取他的权利，保护自己。。。
错就错在他一开始，就攻击人，得罪到人了，因此每个人都针对他。。。
人从来就没有完美的，要慢慢从错误中学习，zeon我支持你，要坚强，要加油！

我也用我所领悟到的，在以这为出发点来看待这事情。。。
没错，人权至上是应该的。。。也是现在世界上所有人，包括我所期望的。
但是，一旦人权和行政拥有利益冲突，各种问题也随之而出。而在这种非常时刻，非常手段也得使用。。。虽然我们心中默默地告诉自己这方案/办法并非最佳的。(但我并不觉得um的是非常手段，而是滥权+侮辱人权的手段）

从mhs中，grenade 事件可看的出人权和行政拥有利益冲突。

人权代表：freshman 行政代表：fasi

fasi 用他们最好的办法来处理他们所面对的问题（尊重freshie...好声好气要求合作，丝毫没有摆架子）
freshman 有的给与高度合作，有的却不是（排队也要插队，吃饭也要慢吞吞）。
为了搞好活动（event must adhere to the schedule.....if not dragging will happen），fasi急得要命；freshman 睬你都傻。
所以event 嘛多出一个单元囖=====〉一起玩grenade~！！（死鬼，好像我很开心酱 ）

当这下下策祭出时，后果嘛。。。。 嘛酱子囖。。。


加上一格有趣的例子：
女儿事先告诉爸爸说：爸爸~~明天是星期日~~~我可以去朋友家嘛？？
爸爸： 哦~~亲爱的。。。当然可以~~~但你得做完功课先哦~~
女儿：一定，一定！！！
而女儿也乖乖地做完功课料，准备去朋友家玩囖~~
爸爸：去谁的家玩？
女儿：小明家！！（高兴-ing)
爸爸：不可以！！！（面黑黑）
女儿：为什麽？！
爸爸：我不准你去男生家！！
女儿：yearrrr ~~~爸爸不尊重人权！！!



**father dono she will go to her "boy" friend's house.....scare later something happened to her daughter(same like fasi....due to discipline problem)...although he promised he will let her daughter having funs at her friend's house**
**actually that boy is good boy lai de.....wont do bad thing 1**

mountainmoo:
To the guys who always complain about this MHS...go to face the wall and think triple times
(need not)

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微风徐徐：
zeon并没错，他是文明社会的产物，他懂得争取他的权利，保护自己。。。
错就错在他一开始，就攻击人，得罪到人了，因此每个人都针对他。。。
人从来就没有完美的，要慢慢从错误中学习，zeon我支持你，要坚强，要加油！

（不敢当，谢谢你的支持。）


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世上各种各样的人都有。
有些人，他们是变态的，这样玩弄人，他们爽。
有些人，他们是笨的，被欺负了，不敢出声。
有些人，他们爱比较，认为好过之前，不去追究。
有些人，他们就像乞丐样，明知自己没错，还是静静给老板骂，因为怕日后没饭吃。

人有很多种，有些要用硬才能教到，有些会想，不必打，说明白了，他自然不会再犯。
像那些无辜被玩，静静不出声，那是傻。而自己犯错被罚，你要出什么声？

如果我犯错了，父母，老师，老板，骂我，我不会反击。
哈哈，对于那些乖乖给老板骂而不走，想必他们一定是没本事，没骨气，怕死外面没人要。
mountainmoo，如果你是老板，你会聘请这样的员工？
如果说是为了家里开销，那是另当别论。
如果你有本事，何必跟他们低声语气？

为了钱，你愿意指鹿为马，那是你个人的事。不必再拿别人来比较。

mountainmoo 写道:
最后用华语来说，连这点风浪也经不起，要吐糟fasi团队，要告这个，告那个，我想这些人就算是人才都有限

是啊，要告这个，告那个，这些人就算是人才都有限。因为心胸狭窄。
那么，请问忍气吞声的是什么？

我只是看着上面的指式做的。“大家也可以在此发表任何不满或意见。”。

zeon 写道:不敢当，谢谢你的支持。我说过了，只要是对的，我是不会回头看是否有人支持我

这个让人看了很高兴
就是不明白为什么你一定要说后面那句
不领情也不用说出来嘛，好hurt嘞
或许你有你自己的原因，什么骨气骨气的。。。
但后面那句话如果不存在，那会更美好。。。

（或许你不懂我在讲什么，毕竟当中的关系很复杂，交际手段是门很深奥的学问，你能悟出当中道理当然最好，不明白，也不要紧，就当作是个老爷爷在唠叨，不用管他，哈哈）

你新一批文章写的很好，当它没有了人身攻击的成分，变得更有说服力

所谓的人身攻击，是你用很强烈的手法，让人下不了台，下不了台，他们便会反攻你，用更强烈的手法，让你也下不了台。事事不要做到太绝，要留后路给人，方为上上之策。

从我观察发现，不少会员，包括betahouse,tatistat等在大部分的时间都能做到这点，很不错，相信在现实生活中他们的人际关系很不错，是个人才

你所提出的论点很强，文字安排手法也很不错，顺畅，至于有多好嘛，我就不提了，免得等下你说什么不需要有人欣赏你文章之类的，我自讨没趣，哈哈

从zeon的论点中，我悟出了另外个论点：

zeon 写道:如果我犯错了，父母，老师，老板，骂我，我不会反击。

如果A做错，你罚A，A是不会反抗的
如果A没错，你罚A，A就会反抗

faci罚全部人，有错的，没错的，都罚，过后被人骂，是天经地义，活该的嘛

（罚全部人，没道理，不逻辑，也不文明）

下次，只罚那些有错的人，如果他们有错，敢敢罚他们吃大便，他们不会反抗的，因为他们有错。。。

当然，等下晚上faci被拉进厕所打，我可不懂，微风徐徐不负责，哈哈

ok, 微风徐徐

1980之前这些事，即使我知道也不需要惊讶，这是应该是每个要上大学都有考虑到的事情

每个大学生都听fasi喊grenade就趴下去， 是因为怕不能进大学？？
可笑！！ 你以为faci团有权利阻止你们进大学，既然你们已报名，就是绝对可以进大学！！！（难道你一个人站起来，全部趴地，然后faci就可以踢你出校门，ban鬼你？？）

当然，我也看过你写我们fasi不敢反抗上头，是因为我们是群体得， 凡事经过商量，只是那次的grenade得却有点偶然，我倒想看看你们这些酱懂得保护自己，凡事讲人权的人，当全部趴下来，你却站起来的样，然后喊抗议，抗议！！

就如你说，如果我们fasi团在训练时，上面头喊一句grenade， 我们趴下，是因为怕他？然后不能做fasi？？（简直啼笑皆非）

你说以前的人落后？？ 我不见得现在的会文明到什么地步，素质不说，EQ绝对比以前低很多。。。所以以其说新生代很“文明”， 不如说是被宠坏，溺爱？？然后弱不经风。。。

微风徐徐:
=.="
ok la.. i go edit.

mountainmoo:
yala,we not mature,we childish,we dint give u cooperation.
all our fault,k?

and we listen to the faci,we got give cooperation,but we get penalized.i just want voice out for innocent.

argue with u,i better go sleep now.tired.

zeon

face wall and think triple times， 意思意思而已

想想看如果那时没有grenade， 你们新生全部乱成一片， 叫来叫去，全部好像要回家样， 就是因为乱过头，才来这招，如果你是阿头，你会如何，让下面好像战场酱？？ 还是弄得有规律 ？？

如果阿头不用严厉的行动，你们会听吗？？ 鸟他都傻吧 ？？

mountainmoo 写道:
你以为faci团有权利阻止你们进大学，既然你们已报名，就是绝对可以进大学！！

什么！！妈的，我被骗了！！
当年faci跟我说他们有权利向校方建议不收我们咯！！岂有此理，如果肯定能进大学，那我为什么当时要grenede?悔不当初啊！！！

mountaimoo，你肯定你说的是真的？不要乱乱说哦，要负责任的。。。

如果是真的，我将向我地方的formsix放话，明年就真的会有人被grenede 时站住哦。。。
如果他们因此而不能进大学，你负不负责？

还有，从你言论，可以看得出你很不合群，也不是很有团队精神的人，整个MHS的新生，就有如一个团队，一些做错，难道要等到做错的人出来说，saya salah， saya buat granade， 可是问题是几百个，就算fasi眼睛再锐利，也不能一一指出来，所以惟有一起受罚

cth，fasi训练时，一个team的队员迟到？ 如何，整team受罚啦，日子也不是酱过。。。

讲什么我们fasi罚全部是错，好像你们没错，很圣神。。。 搞到我们好像欠你们酱。。。